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I would say that during those days I experienced a connection to
"SOMETHING OUT THERE" the Universal Spirit - or whatever. |
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I've been asked to meditate quite often but have always rejected it.
You are the first person in my life really, who has ever put me on the
path of meditation. |
| J.P. |
How come you've never been attracted to such a spiritually uplifting
activity? |
| U.G. |
I don't know I tried doing it a few times but didn't manage to sustain
it for more than a few minutes. Of course I know that that was not enough
to go in deeply, or to achieve any meaningful and lasting results. |
| J.P. |
Yes. One needs to do at least one hour a day and no more than two
hours - maximum two and a half hours a day. |
| U.G. |
What? Right away? |
| J.P. |
Oh, no, no. It has to build up gradually from a few minutes daily - up
to an hour or two later on. It's like the work out in the gym, if you've
never done any exercise, then suddenly, do a two hour stint, you wake up
next day in such pain you can hardly move. It has to be built up
gradually. |
| U.G. |
Yes. You can't hope to build up large, strong muscles overnight. |
| J.P. |
Has meditation had any physical impact on you? Laboratory experiments
in several well-known universities world-wide, have shown changes in
blood-pressure, heart beat rate, blood chemistry, skin galvanization and
stabilization of the nervous system and all round health - Have you
experienced any difference yourself? |
| U.G. |
After meditation I really feel rejuvenated, powerful and re-charged
not only physically but mentally and spiritually. I really don't
understand why everybody doesn't practice meditation - at home or work, it
makes such a huge difference to the quality of life. |
| J.P. |
Well, there are now some schools actually teaching it - even at
primary school age. Here's an article describing children who meditate as
studious and showing improved classwork results and who are polite, well
behaved and non aggressive. Even the army in some countries, has
meditation courses as part of military training. |
| U.G. |
This is all very interesting. You see, I've learnt something new
today! Also, I want to say that meditation really helps me to remain calm.
I feel definitely happier altogether. |
| J.P. |
Is there anything you have observed within yourself that would
interest Scientists? You know, because the study of the rising of the
Kundalini in an individual is a deep science. When Gopi Krishna wrote
about his experiences of the rising of his Kundalini, doctors from all
over the world flocked to Kashmir where he lived, to study its effects on
the human organism, hands on so to speak. |
| U.G. |
What I can say at this point in my meditation is that it fuels my
psychic energy - and if scientists studied it in depth, they would
themselves all start meditating, that's for sure. |
| J.P. |
You said once that after bending the third spoon during your spoon
bending demonstrations the energy diminishes so that you can't bend a
fourth or fifth spoon. Have you experienced any differences in that
direction. I mean, eight months isn't all that long. |
| U.G. |
Definitely, definitely. The energy is greater. |
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(At this point, Uri got hold of a spoon as two waiters entered the
hall, and showed all three of us his finger stroking the spoon which
started bending and went on bending after he placed it on the table. This
used to require nearly three times as long to achieve. This time Uri just
gave the spoon two or three gentle strokes with his forefinger, then
almost immediately let go of it. It went on bending till it reached a
right angle!) |
| J.P. |
Would you recommend meditation to others - friends, family,
acquaintances etc? |
| U.G. |
Absolutely, I myself couldn't possibly do without it now. I don't know
what I was thinking of when I refused to take it up. I know that there are
hundreds of books about the subject - I just never wanted to read about
it. All this time wasted when I could have been learning about it and
advancing my evolution by leaps and bounds. |
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My advice to scientists in particular is to stop being sceptical and
study meditation and discover how it works. They couldn't fail then to
recognize that there is a Higher Power that is working in the
Universe. |
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If I go to the States again, I will allow them to test me again in
metal bending or telepathy while repeating the mantra, it will le them see
the difference in results when done with the mantra repetition and then
when done without - or vice versa. |
| J.P. |
It would be interesting to see their reactions to the two Kirlian
photographs you had taken in June of your aura before and after
meditation. |
| U.G. |
Yeah - but they would want to do their own photographs - I'm
sure. |
| J.P. |
Yes, I know - but if you showed them the before picture where the area
around your head is dark, and the after picture with the huge white aura
round your head, they would understand why you now want to do a different
kind of testing than was done before. |
| U.G. |
Yes, Well, what I DO want to show scientists is the fantastic power of
meditation which will show up in whatever test they give me? |
| J.P. |
Have you ever heard of Doctor Malcom Caruthers? |
| U.G. |
No - I haven't. |
| J.P. |
He's a Harley Street Cardiologist who has been curing his patients of
heart disease just by teaching them how to meditate - He gives them the
mantra. His success rate has been so high in curing people of heart'
disease that many cardiologists have gone to him to learn his
methods! |
| U.G. |
How fascinating - but is he a real medical doctor? |
| J.P. |
He's a Harley Street cardiologist. |
| U.G. |
Wonderful! Yes, I think that meditation is going to establish itself
as the New Medicine on the B.B.C Website today, this very day they were
talking about the healing powers of positive thinking. |
| J.P. |
Yes, all well and good - but meditation doesn't work on the level of
thought. It transcends thought and goes much deeper and works
independently of the thinking process. |
| U.G. |
Does Doctor Caruthers actually give people a mantra to repeat? |
| J.P. |
Yes. Would you like to meet him? |
| U.G. |
I'd love to. Unbelievable! |
| J.P. |
I'm sure he'll invite you to his clinic and you can see him in action.
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| U.G. |
O.K. I'd really love to meet him. I'm sure that meditation is more
powerful than medicine. I would like to see it spread throughout the
world, I wish I had taken it up years ago - I can't understand why I never
took it up. |
| J.P. |
Uri. The difference between you and the normal person, is that you
were lucky enough to be born with an awakened Kundalini. All we lesser
mortals have to work hard at our spiritual evolution and have spent thirty
years assiduously practising meditation in order to allow the Kundalini to
move upwards through the chakra s so that it reaches the brain and we
achieve self-realization. But you were born with an awakened Kundalini
which is that living fire that manifests through your hands and makes
metal bend at your touch. But somewhere along the line she stopped in her
tracks in between chakra s. |
| U.G. |
When? When did the Kundalini get stuck? Was it when I was born or in
my childhood? |
| J.P. |
I don't know. This is the whole lament of this book. I tried to
analyse your character traits chakra by chakra to see where you're at -
but it's proving very difficult to trace exactly where you're at in the
Kundalini's climb towards God realization. |
| U.G. |
How much further can I go? How - what's the limit? |
| J.P. |
The limit? What limit? How can one talk of a limit? When conscious
mind and subconscious mind become united, self integration occurs, you
become WHOLE, no longer functioning on two levels of consciousness each
pulling in a different direction. Once this unification of consciousness
occurs you enter into Superconsciousness. |
| U.G. |
Yes. I've had a short taste of that. I entered the Superconscious
state one day when sitting near a Japanese lantern in my garden. It was a
stupendous - ecstatic experience phew. I get goose bumps when I think
about it. It was just so powerful. |
| J.P. |
Wonderful. Yes - but as you say, it was a short glimpse of the Divine
State. But once your Kundalini gets to the brain (that is the seventh
Chakra,) you remain in that state of consciousness for good - not just
little glimpses of heaven here and there. It becomes your permanent
state. |
| U.G. |
From now on I'm going to immerse myself in it totally. |
| J.P. |
The thing is to keep it going regularly even though the mind goes
wandering and finds excuses to make you stop. |
| U.G. |
That's it. I'm going to start being more disciplined and keep the
practice up regularly. |
| J.P. |
You were talking about several groups of sick children coming to you
for healing. |
| U.G. |
Yes. Since starting meditation I've found that the energy coming
through my hands is so much stronger that it does help sick people. But I
must state emphatically that I don't call myself a Healer. |
| J.P. |
Oh - I meant to ask you. Are you actually aware of the Kundalini
moving through your spine at all? |
| U.G. |
Not really - no, not really. |
| J.P. |
Do you see any visions during meditation or have you received any new
insight? |
| U.G. |
What I have received - is I see my past lives more clearly (long
pause) Yeah. I do - I do. |
| J.P. |
Really? No visions - nothing visual? |
| U.G. |
The only thing I see is vivid colours, mostly gold and purple. But I
tell you what I'm hooked on meditation now, I'm hooked on it more than I'm
hooked on my daily work out I really really find that I can't do without
it. |
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Also, you know I'm doing another round of lecture tours around the
theatres and cinemas etc, like I did last year - only this time I'm going
to talk about how meditation has augmented my energies and put me into a
calmer and happier frame of mind. |
| J.P. |
Oh - Terrific. You could help so many people that way, you have a
platform - and you're finally going to use if for God and your fellow
humans. |
| U.G. |
I'm so lucky that I met you - to be honest with you. You know it's a
pity you didn't show me all this in the very beginning of our
acquaintance. |
| J.P. |
Do you think meditation is something you are going to continue doing
or is it just a passing phase? |
| U.G. |
Are you kidding? I'm never going to stop meditating it's like this is
it : It's become part of my life like sleeping and eating - something that
can't be omitted from life's routine for as long as I
live. |