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Chapter Seventeen

TRANSCRIPT TAKEN VERBATIM FROM THE SECOND INTERVIEW WITH URI GELLER ON 5th MAY 2002

On Tuesday May 5th 2002, Uri Geller consented to have his AURA photographed with a Kirlian aura imaging machine.

Thrity Engineers set it all up at her Therapy Centre, and took two photographs. One was taken as soon as Uri arrived - The second Kirlian photograph was taken after Uri had meditated for ten minutes.

Joy Philippou asked to be left alone with Uri after the first picture was taken, so that she could teach him the meditation technique and pass on to him the Siddha Yoga Mantra - "SO HAM". She told him how to repeat silently the syllable "SO" on the out breath and "HAM" on the in breath - with his eyes closed; She asked him to relax and told him that when ten minutes were up, he would be called and have the second picture taken.

As can be seen here, in the first photo the whole picture is dark, with not much light and very little aura visible. After the short ten-minute meditation session, the second photograph was taken, and the results amazed everyone who saw them. His aura was full of light and his facial features were lighter and more clearly seen.

The following paragraphs have been transcribed from the tape of the recorded conversation which took place just after Thrity Engineer had finished taking the second aura photograph.

JOY PHILIPPOU : So Uri, what did you feel when you repeated the mantra?

URI GELLER : Very relaxed. As a matter of fact what came through my mind were parrots, the Amazon Jungle and then the Ganges River. Very, very strongly the Ganges.

J.P. What? In your meditation? Wow!
U.G. Yes, millions of birds converging (Uri says "convulging") on the banks of the Ganges - It's strange.
J.P. Was it in colour?
U.G. It was yellow - purple - and I never really think of the Ganges - I don't know why it came to my mind - it's so strange!
J.P. Wonderful (Laughing). So, did you find it difficult to meditate for your first ten minutes?
U.G. No, No, No. It was very relaxing. The meditation was very visual.
J.P. Yes? Good! - But relaxing?
U.G. Very - Very.
J.P. So the whole nervous system had a rest?
U.G. Yes. Also what I found very relaxing was the sound of the water. (Uri here is referring to the sound of the mini fountain water feature in the studio).
J.P. Yes.
U.G. Maybe that's what brought up the Ganges River.
J.P. Laughing.
T.E. (Also Laughing) Yes - very likely.
U.G. Actually I'd like to meditate. Do you mind if I sit with these (holding some feathers) for another five minutes alone?
J.P. Oh - How wonderful! How wonderful! (I could hardly contain my surprise and pleasure to think that Uri was asking for more meditation time. For years he's talked about meditation and he always rejected the idea. Then when I'd asked him to have some Kirlian photographs taken he consented to meditate and have before and after meditation pictures taken, but kept saying that he would "not do it for more than ten minutes". - So I could hardly believe my ears when he asked for an extended period!)
After leaving him alone for a while, the photographs were dry enough to touch. Uri looked at his first aura photograph.
J.P. So Uri - What do you think of your first picture?
U.G. Look! I've never quite seen anything like this before. I've heard of this technique. People show me pictures of themselves. I've never had this picture done.
(Pointing to a purple patch) I feel that purple is a very spiritual colour.
J.P. Yes it is. Very. But you're rather tired. Thrity, what do you think?
T.E. Yes - you're very tired.
U.G. Well, I'm working very hard - so I'm always tired.
T.E. (Looking at the second post meditation picture) you've livened up there.
J.P. Even your face looks lighter there.
U.G. Yes.
J.P. And that's only after ten minutes (of meditation).
U.G. Well!
J.P. So what do you think of it?
U.G. Look. Again, I don't know how to decipher these pictures, but definitely there's a very marked difference. (Uri says, "there's a black and white difference) Amazing the difference, And look how this light comes from here. Interesting So - what do you deduce from this? Is it really important?
J.P. Yes. First you tell me what you deduce.
U.G. Definite Change. I mean, you know, there is definitely some activity going on here.
T.E. It's actually your parameters changing and making a shift in very real terms, whether the intellect recognizes it or not.
U.G. But you're an expert in reading this. I'm not an expert.
J.P. But you will become an expert. The thing is that you've got this energy - more so than anybody else, and
U.G. People tell me this all the time.
J.P. Yes, but because you are frittering your energies outwardly by rushing around here and there for appointments and television shows and all that kind of thing - it depletes you of energy.
U.G. You're so right. Absolutely.
J.P. The minute you sit down, the Real, the DIVINE energy that's in you, this thing that helps you to bend spoons is released.
U.G. "This is why when I lived in Japan under Mount Fuji, and I only had my son and my daughter around me - my powers were so strong". "Spiritually and psycho kinetically that it was amazing. As a matter of fact it was under Mount Fuji where I lived for one year, with no television, no telephone no e-mail - there was no e-mail then, but no fax machine - no telex - Nothing bothered me for one year. That's where I bent the thickest object in my life. It was this thick "(showing with his hands approximately a five inch thickness).
J.P. Wow! And the energy went right through it?
T.E. You know what that means? It's Coherent Energy an alignment of inner energy with environmental energy, so that you can hold your pure frequency.
U.G. Really?
J.P. Uri, you asked me what I deduced from the photos.
U.G. Yes.
J.P. I knew that you had that power - that energy and that all you needed was to sit and meditate for a few minutes each day. Now you say Mount Fuji energized you because you had peace and quiet.
U.G. I meditated.
J.P. Yes, but I'm talking about mantra repetition which is real meditation - not about what the West calls meditation - I mean mantra repetition meditation like you did today for ten minutes. You don't need to go to Mount Fuji and spend weeks there being quiet - if you feel your energies depleted, before you begin to feel depleted, if you decided every time you do something energetic, to replenish your energy by taking ten minutes somewhere on your own you can tap into your reservoir of energy and bring it out. It's in you all the time.
U.G. Yea, yea. O.K. That's a good lesson, you know.
J.P. So - is it OK - for me to use these (photos) in my book?
U.G. Of course - Absolutely.
J.P. Thank you very much Uri.
U.G. You're Welcome. Oh - I'm so glad it happened.
J.P. Yes? You're glad it happened? Really? (The aura photo session) why? Why are you glad it happened?
U.G. Because it was a new experience for me. So you're happy with this?
J.P. Yes, I am so happy - Are you happy? I want you to be happy.
U.G. Yes yes yes yes.
J.P. Are you going to meditate?
U.G. Ha ha ha ha - How do you meditate? Show me how you meditate and show me. Come and sit here and show me

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