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At his home in Reading on December the 30th 2001
A verbatim transcription
JOY PHILIPPOU : When you were once asked about where you thought your powers come from, you declared that you didn't know. Has there been any alteration to that answer since? Do you now.......
URI GELLER : O.K. That's a very good question by the way. Today after so many years, you know, demonstrating my powers, I do want to believe that what I have and what I do is a gift - and when I say that it's a gift, obviously, the Creator comes to mind; but in order to neutralize, sort of, the holiness about powers, I tell that everything that we do comes as a gift. You have a gift, Dave (Silk) has a gift, we all have a gift, and I think that the gift is from God. But having said that, I also believe, Joy, that under God there are forces and energies, and they sort of tap onto this power, and therefore I also think that this energy is intelligence an intervening intelligence that comes to me from the universe.
| J.P. | Thank you. What particular episode or episodes contribute to this opinion? |
| U.G. | Synchronicities that happen to me, my belief in extra terrestrial intelligence, my determination to find out and to investigate where the power is coming from. In my mind, I journey - I travel - I fantasize, I bring back information and I make up my own little theories. The evidence coming from hundreds, if not thousands of people, that they have had encounters of their own that they cannot explain. So all that leads me to believe that there is an outside intervention. |
| J.P. | When you used your clairvoyant powers at the casino and won seventeen thousand pounds, an invisible power threw you out of the car onto the ground and reprimanded you. Have you ever had any other such encounters in your life? |
| U.G. | Not really - because since that day - whenever I walk into a casino I don't gamble and I very rarely go into a casino. I can't remember myself being in a casino in the last twenty years. |
| J.P. | No, I mean any other sort of personal encounters like that with the unseen powers. |
| U.G. | Not in such a violent way. The last time I would say was in the Casino, and the first time was in (Andreja) Puharich's home when the grandfather clock flew around. So there was nothing of that nature in the last - I would say - twenty five years. |
| J.P. | Do you have verbal contact, or receive messages or instructions from any unseen spiritual source? |
| U.G. | No, I always hope when I pray, to hear a disembodied voice coming back to me - but that doesn't happen. |
| J.P. | What about those voices that were taped on Puharitch's tapes - "he Nine"? |
| U.G. | Those were then, in 1970/71. They never came back : but I can't say that I'm not getting signs from other sources. When I deal with sick children, and some pass over to the other side, I do get signals from them - that is continuously. |
| J.P. | Can you give us one example? |
| U.G. | O yeah, I can give you quite a few examples. For example, I saw a child die from a brain tumour and he left his tennis racket here. A bird flew into my house and sat on his tennis racket on the day of the anniversary of his death. Lights flicker in our house on anniversaries. Alarm systems switch on... These are the signs that come from the other side. Do you ever have any physical sensations that indicate a certain power or electricity flowing through you? |
| U.G. | You know Joy, I was never really physically aware that there is something tangible going through my body. Every time, when I do something like the spoons or mind reading it's always almost mentally happening in my mind, rather than physically an energy being emitted from my fingers or my hand or my breath. |
| J.P. | This energy that you have - is it affected by activity of any sort? |
| U.G. | You mean what kind of activity? Physical? |
| J.P. | I mean any kind... If for example, there are certain things that you do that bring on your powers. |
| U.G. | That's a good question. Yes, I believe that my exercise regime enhances my powers. When I do my biking, every day, twenty-seven miles, I'm more powerful. It's almost like I get my whole physical state working, therefore my mental attitude is more powerful. |
| J.P. | You never get tired? |
| U.G. | No on the contrary. I do get tired after a long day. I do get tired after a long lecture I do get tired after a big T.V. show. Yeah, and then my powers sort of ebb away, and I have to restore them by sleeping or resting. |
| J.P. | I remember you also once saying in an interview that the first spoon you bend is done quite easily and the second one bends a little less, and by the third or fourth the energy is no longer quite as strong. Does that apply? |
| U.G. | Yes, that is true; maybe it's true psychologically and maybe I have programmed myself to believe that that is how it should be - and maybe it's nonsense. Maybe the power is always there, but psychologically I feel that I'm being drained. And another thing that you probably don't know, is that I cannot bend a spoon alone. I tried a few times. The most important place where I tried to bend a spoon was when I was researching "Ella", my novel, I went to the Sinai Desert, and I lived in a tent alone for a couple of days, and right under Mount Sinai I tried to bend a spoon and it didn't work. I went on top of Mount Sinai it didn't work. I always have to have someone around me; this is why Professor Brian Josephson, who is a Nobel Prize physicist, believes that it is actually quantum mechanics. I may use other people's energies and I manage in a strange way to dump them into the spoon or metal and alter the molecular structure - using other people's energy. Specially children - when they're around me, I'm very powerful. |
| J.P. | Is your energy affected by people's attitude? |
| U.G. | Yes, very much so. If people around me are open-minded and not sceptical and not cynical, then my energies are stronger. |
| J.P. | Do you find that your diet affects your energies, because I know that you're a vegetarian. Is that because of what you are and what you do? Why are you a vegetarian, and does diet affect our energies? |
| U.G. | Diet does affect my energies. I turned vegetarian, simply because I decided one day that I'm killing animals and that's not good, that is negative. I communicate with my dogs and I can read their mind. They read my mind - So how do I know that a fish doesn't think, or a chicken or a cow? I mean how are we to decide what is really going on in their mind? Do they feel pain? Of course they do! So I just simply decided: "that's it. I'm going to stop killing animals" and I realized that by becoming a vegetarian my powers, again, were amplified. I don't know why really. Is it because my body has become healthier? Is it because I have less toxins in my body, less chemicals, less additives, or is it because my spiritual outlook is more open or more profound? |
| J.P. | Can you have access to your paranormal powers any time you want? |
| U.G. | No. No. I've been on television shows where the spoon didn't want to bend. |
| J.P. | Not just spoon-bending, I mean the energy within you that entered you when you were four years old. Do you have access? Can you communicate with it? Can you summon it whenever you need? |
| U.G. | Yeah. I think the energies like your soul is a part of you - it's an extension of your being. It's always there. Sure I can access it all the time. |
| J.P. | Do you receive immediate answers to any questions that you put? |
| U.G. | First of all, I don't put a lot of questions out there because I try not to be ego-centrical in my wantings. I let that happen as destiny flows. But there are certain questions that I put out there. "Why are children dying from diseases? Why are babies dying every three seconds from hunger? Why are the Palestinians killing the Jews and the Jews killing the Palestinians? My questions are quite a long list of questions. Most of the questions are unanswered immediately. |
| J.P. | Unanswered. No one knows the Truth. No one knows the mystery of the universe, and I think they are unanswered because our minds are too small to comprehend the answer. The answer is so vast and so huge that it is beyond our understanding, and even if we get it, we cannot decipher it, it's so enormous. |
| J.P. | Has all that you've experienced in life and the fact that you've been specially chosen for these powers, made you more religious in any way? |
| U.G. | Well, first of all I will correct a line that you've just said... I don't think that I've ever said that I was specially chosen. |
| J.P. | I'm saying that you're specially chosen. It's obvious that you've been specially chosen for certain manifestations of God's Energy. |
| U.G. | Well, you're saying that, I'm not saying that. I think we're all chosen. We're all children of God. Your question was what exactly? |
| J.P. | Has it all made you any more religious at all? |
| U.G. | You know what? I think I was born religious. It's an interesting fact that ever since I was a child - I believed that there is something out there; and since my mother believed in God, and so did my father, then it was natural for me that there is God out there. |
| J.P. | In Andrea Puharich's book "Uri" you state the opposite. You said, "I do not understand all this about God and the soul and the hereafter". So was there somewhere along the line where you lost your faith and then regained it? |
| U.G. | I think yes. I think that....well.....I never lost my belief in God. My inner candle that was burning there and saying "yeah, I am a believer - you are a believer" but there was a lot of confusion in my life and it sometimes still is there. The ups and downs in one's life.... everyone has them. There is confusion about where you are going. Where are your powers coming from really? What am I to do with the power? Why are most of the things I manifest rather trivial? And why am I not doing something much more important with these energies - which I am in a way - things that I cannot talk about - you know getting government leaders to meet, helping certain governments locate certain things. All positive. So, those are quite enormous - even when I was doing the American Nuclear Arms Reduction Treaty where I was asked by the Americans to bombard the Russians (through thought power) to sign the Nuclear Treaty. So there are ups and downs in my life all the time. But I always..... I now know there is an after life because I've matured and have more signs and I have more literature read and I've had more stories heard and I had more evidence...... |
| J.P. | Have you ever had experience yourself like out of the body experience or actual proof that there is a soul? |
| U.G. | Well.....(hesitation) just at the moment that that Jordanian soldier and I looked at each other in the eye and I knew that whoever pressed the trigger first would survive. That's when I think I travelled out into my life and my whole life zoomed in front of me in a split second and I saw my life from another dimension - from another angle. I did have some out of the body experiences, instances called "remote viewing", which I cannot talk about because it's government stuff. But I've never really seen myself - being catapulted out of my body and seen myself floating above my body except once or twice in the seventies when I remember that I travelled to Brazil once. I had strange things happen to me, but it wasn't quite the classical story of an out of body experience. |
| J.P. | Is there anything that convinces you and that you can tell the world about to help people have some faith in the existence of an after life? |
| U.G. | Well... That's so difficult to convince or bombard people - forcing them to believe in the after life. It's something that has to come from within. |
| J.P. | But many people are seeking, and desperately wanting to believe. They want some kind of a sign or proof. |
| U.G. | But the proofs and the signs are out there all the time. God exists, and the minority are still seeking and searching are in a minority. I must remind you that six billion people cannot be wrong. Six billion people - most of humanity, believe in God, and that is the biggest proof. Six billion people CANNOT BE WRONG! The minority who are still lost out there, I tell them "Breathe. Experience. Learn. Listen". |
| J.P. | But you yourself say that you hate reading, and you hate discussing philosophical subjects. How then can you convince other people who like you do not like to read and discuss. |
| U.G. | That's not exactly true because I write my books and my books are riddled with philosophy. There is a major pool of knowledge and intelligence in my books - in all my books. Even the latest one I wrote Orthodox encounters, but to those ones who don't read, to those ones who are somehow neutralized and living on a mountain somewhere, it is a matter of self-discovery. You use meditation, use your kind to travel - to journey into space and then come back with information. But it's the will to do those things because if you're an atheist and an agnostic - forget it -I don't want to talk to you. You lost the boat. You'll probably learn in the next life time. |
| J.P. | Does this mean you believe in Reincarnation? |
| U.G. | Of course I do. I have no time for people who are agnostics and atheists - Cos it's like a smoker who doesn't want to give up smoking. He knows it's bad, or she knows it's bad for them, but they enjoy it. I can't deal with those people and I don't have time - I have more important things to do with people who want to learn. Of course I believe in Reincarnation. There is no doubt in my mind. Our soul survives our body and we become a new born child - or we become angels. We come closer to God. Of course.... |
| J.P. | When you describe your powers as paranormal, what exactly do you mean? You've been known to say "they are not psychic, they are paranormal". Could you please explain that? |
| U.G. | Yeah - You know, it's sunny, because the reason I said they're not psychic, is because I never wanted to be accepted as the little guy sitting in a small second floor shop on fifty seventh street or first avenue with a sign saying "PSYCHIC - Six dollars a read". |
| J.P. | So you equated "psychic" as a medium or something like that? |
| U.G. | Yeah - and there's nothing wrong with that. I believe in mediums and I believe in people who can use the tarot cards as a tool for the mind, and a crystal ball and all that. But the word psychic has been misused so much that when I hear the word "psychic" I do really see a medium sitting somewhere in a small place reading cards and coffee leaves or tea leaves. So I thought that paranormal was in a way a better word really - because it's beyond the normal. And in a way, I coined up the word "paranormalist" and that's the truth. That's why I shied away from.... I don't like being called a psychic - because then I'm being thrown into that pool of mediums and coffee readers and tarot readers and palm readers - and I don't do those things. |
| J.P. | If you were told by your spiritual guides that your powers would no longer function after a certain date, how would you feel. |
| U.G. | I would accept it. I would feel pretty upset about it because I love these powers. They are very unique. They brighten my life. They teach people. I am used to them that's the most important I'm used to having them. It's like you are a painter, and suddenly your spiritual guide comes to you and says you're not going to paint any more. Wouldn't you be upset? Of course I or a singer or anyone in their profession, no matter how small their job is. A taxi driver or shoe maker - anyone. A person who fixes the roads or sweeps the fields. They're suddenly being told "you can't do that" and they've been doing it all their lives and they like what they do - wouldn't like that. |
| J.P. | If this did happen which one or several of your many enterprises would you continue doing. |
| U.G. | I would write - continue writing - although sometimes I feel that my writing is touched by a tip of paranormality in what I write - but I do try and disconnect myself and totally use ninety-nine percent of my imagination and my writing ability and me being able to create characters, plots and tales and put them together and tailor them around the story and come out with a good novel. My non fiction work is something that I do naturally from the knowledge that I absorb throughout my life. |
| J.P. | You are now expanding your lecture circuit and wish to help people become "enlightened" I saw that on your brochure for your Lewisham lecture coming up on the first of February. How would you go about it? What is the gist and main point which you wish to put across? |
| U.G. | You know, that's good observation. If you noticed, there are a few words in that brochure saying "This is not about spoon bending". |
| J.P. | Yes, I was very happy to see that! |
| U.G. | I'm actually sick and tired of spoon-bending. But not only that, it still leaves me in the bronze age. I have to move (on). |
| J.P. | But you are inviting people to bring their watches. |
| U.G. | Because... because... because... there must be some little injection of entertainment and they love that, and when I walk up on the stage I will tell them, "listen. You came here today, not because you want to see me bend a spoon. This is not about spoon bending. It's not whether you believe in my powers or not - and I'll tell you straight out now if you believe in my powers, fine: if you don't that's also fine. I'm saying that this is paranormal or supernatural. I've moved away from that. I want to teach you how to change your lives for the better". That's what I'll start the show with I guess. I just made this up, but these will be more or less the words that I will use. And that's when I will try to take them on my journey. This is why it's called "Uri Geller's Experience" I will tell them my life story - but I will tell them to place themselves in my shoes, and they will find the connections. |
| J.P. | Don't you think that getting people's watches to start ticking in their pockets again is much more than entertainment? Does it not prove that God, or whatever you want to call that powers, exists and is working through you? |
| U.G. | I don't know about "through me". I have to be careful. It's through US. I want to Put "through US". |
| J.P. | No, because it wouldn't work through me. I could stand on that stage for a month and no (damaged or worn out) clock would start ticking again. It's obviously working through you. |
| U.G. | No. You're wrong. You're wrong. I'm only a catalyst I'm only an enabler. I'm only a trigger. |
| J.P. | Yes. So the power is working through you. |
| U.G. | If you want to put it that way - fine. I don't want to put it that way. I want to put it that it's working through all of us. Again - I'm the person who says "Hey, pay attention for a moment to yourself. Did you ever think that you can do it yourself. This is not about my powers. It is not about the belief in my powers. It is about the belief in your powers. And when that watch starts ticking in your hand or your pocket - to you that's proof that you can get the message through whatever source you want to believe it's coming through. You see, I don't want to force people, I don't want to police their mind that this power is a godly power coming through me. I'm not a messiah, I'm not a miracle worker, I'm not a healer. May be you want to believe that. Fine. Believe that, but you're not going to hear it from me. |
| J.P. | People read about all your different feats and activities or watch you on Television, but they would love to know what makes you tick. What's in your extraordinary mind. Is there anything you want said in this book that has not been said before? Any message that you would like to convey to the world at large. |
| U.G. | I have to think about that. My message to the world at large obviously is about things that we all want the world to feel. The world is in a major turmoil now -not only because of terrorism world wide and the danger of nuclear atomic weapons exploding in suitcases in Philadelphia or Los Angeles or London - which is a possibility. We have to eradicate that capability of certain terrorist organizations. I actually call them cults. Because Islam itself is a peaceful religion like Judaism and Christianity - But those cults take passages from the Koraan and they warp and twist the words saying that it's OK for us to kill women and children and innocent people. Those are cults, and those terrorists have to be eradicated because they are a threat to humanity not to the whole of humanity because if such a bomb went off it could kill hundreds of thousands people and contaminate an area for thousands of years with radioactivity. Then you've got the natural disasters. Mother Nature is shouting to us "You're killing our planet". Look at the fires raging in Australia - Look at the rain forests being burned. The pollution in the rivers and the oceans and the lakes. Look at the melting ice caps. I mean there's something being told to us which we are not deciphering. We're not reading these messages from Mother Nature. We are suffocating our planet with more factories, more cars - with more pollution. Then there is a medical downfall. They put a man on the moon thirty years ago more than thirty years ago, yet we cannot cure cancer yet - and I suspect that there must be some hidden agenda here, where hundreds and if not thousands or billions of dollars are spent both in arms weaponry and medicine in order to keep sickness going so the industry will be you know, functioning. I mean, for goodness sake a man who walks on the moon comes back to earth and he still cannot eradicate a tumour. It must be something wrong here, devastatingly wrong. So, that's another thing. Look at A.I.D.S. Twenty seven million people have A.I.D.S. in Africa, so these engender an economical situation - interest rates falling. People are losing their jobs, hundreds and hundreds of people are being fired daily in their jobs. Maybe even thousands. So the economy is down. So really over all we are living in a planet that needs help. Sometimes I feel that its not for me to say. Because I mean, I live in a luxurious house. I have a great family and I have some money and all that. May be, I do have to experience real dirt poverty from where I came from, because I came from poverty. I mean I lived with my mother in a one room apartment. She had to work very hard to bring food to the table and to get clothes and all those things. So I know what it is to be poor - but I guess in order to help humanity - I have to go back to that world. I am contemplating - there is something in my mind which is telling me I really have to disappear somewhere, maybe with my family - and that's when real spirituality will come and maybe that will be the time when I'll be really able to help. |
| J.P. | I meant also on the personal level. You've had books written about you - you've written things and you've had umpteen interviews and appearances. Is there something through this book that you would like to take the opportunity to say about yourself that has not been said before? |
| U.G. | Well....... Attaching what you asked me before - to what I'm about to say now, is basically what I would like to say through this book is, because we're living in such tough times it is so very important to believe in yourself, and to be optimistic and to be positive and do try little things like prayers, attaching yourself to God and to investigate. It is time that you looked in the mirror and began to also love yourself. Cos most people are good people. They radiate energy and positivity to others and they neglect themselves and suddenly they become lonely - stressed out .... |
| J.P. | (Interrupting) What is it about yourself that you would like the world to know that has never been mentioned before? |
| U.G. | About myself, myself?......Umm... that really I'm just an ordinary . . . person. I don't think I'm any different. I might have a unique..er..gift or trait or job, but...er...I'm just down to earth me, and some people miss that and don't see that in me. Umm I'm just another human being. I also have my ups and downs. My life also is not just fantastic all the time. There's no perfection in life. Someone who tells you that they're all the time happy - that's a lie. I don't believe that There are always little worries inside your mind. Personal little worries - ups and down and you know that. So the message is really be positive, be optimistic, believe in yourself. If they slam a door in your face, walk through it. |
| J.P. | Do you do that? |
| U.G. | Er... I did that a lot. Today I have less doors slammed in my face. (laughing) but sometimes they do, and if I think that it's honest to walk through them then I walk through those doors: and in a way I awaken people through my books, through my columns, through my appearances, through my prayers. So over all I think that I'm doing something positive that influences people - changes their lives on a very small scale, I'm...you know, I'm just a little grain of sand in this vast universe... but it's interesting, because we are all little important grains of sand. Even if we're as big as a molecule. It's so interesting. It's almost like the universe is built on us. We are supporting the universe because we are being. We are living and life goes on even when we die, because there's infinity and it never ends. And the structure of our being, because we are part of God, is that even if we pull out one little, tiny molecular grain, it is us, you will tumble the universe - the whole universe will collapse - and that's a very important way of seeing how important and influential we are. Even if we live our whole life time and we think that we've lived for nothing and we died and we look at our lives and say "what....what have I really done in life? What have I really achieved? All my life was a rough trip - all I did is I suffered and I was always broke and my marriage collapsed and all the seventy years I lived or the eighty years I lived was just a bad trip. You're wrong. It wasn't because while your life was going on, while you had these negative forces pulling you apart, you were still there: You were being, and that supported the whole universe. |
| J.P. | Do you have any regrets? With your powers, would you have done something else?....differently if you had the choice to do it again? |
| U.G. | I don't think I would have done it differently, because I had to activate the triviality of what I did in the seventies. The Television shows, the spoon bending, the mind - reading to awaken the world. |
| J.P. | Why do you consider them trivial? Were they not stupendous? Did they not awaken people to the fact that there were forces other than the material? |
| U.G. | They did... They did; but that you can see. Not everyone can see that. That's why you're a special person! If you ask a hundred people in the street to see that, they won't be able to. Only very special people see that - and since the majority doesn't, then I have to converse, and continue my demonstrations to the people until that message will arrive to them. Sooner or later, they will understand what you understand. |
| J.P. | Are you saying that you don't realize what influence you've had on people's lives other than "entertainment" value? |
| U.G. | I do, but many don't. |
| J.P. | What? |
| U.G. | I do understand the influence. I know the influence - but many people don't. |
| J.P. | Do they matter? |
| U.G. | Everyone matters. |
| J.P. | Does it matter that they don't understand? |
| U.G. | Er....to me? |
| J.P. | To you and in general. |
| U.G. | That's a very good question. Let me think about that . (Long pause) it matters - solely because if they do understand, then there's a bridge and they can cross that bridge and enter the realm of the wonderful - the positive, the Holy, the profound. It's got nothing to do with my powers. They can enter that by understanding that if that watch started ticking in their pocket, that was a sign. But not everyone understands that. As a matter of fact, the majority don't. |
| J.P. | How do you envisage the future? |
| U.G. | The immediate future is very technological and I fear that those scientists, those religious scientists who created certain weapons, that those weapons are not going to destroy us. |
| J.P. | I don't mean the future of the world. I mean your future. What Uri Geller stands for in the Universe and the world. What from now on? |
| U.G. | I don't plan anything Joy, I let life come to me. I wake up in the morning and I see the day as one day in my life and I see that as a whole life as a universe. So there are no plans - no grand plans for two days from no. I let it happen and I think that the way that things are moving to me, they are doing something big, big and I think that something quite major will happen in the coming ten years for Uri Geller - but I quite don't know what it is yet. |
| J.P. | I wanted to ask you Uri, if it's possible for you to let me have some kirlian photographs that demonstrate your energies. |
| U.G. | I will give you all those - you will be amazed when you see them. |
| (Uri and J.P go to Uri Geller's computer where kirlian pictures of Uri Geller's hands come up on the screen). | |
| U.G. | They're kirlian. They're work I've done. |
| J.P. | Were they photographs? |
| U.G. | They put a broken watch on the slab - They photographed the energy sort of beaming out of my finger into the watch and the watch started ticking. They're some amazing pictures which amazed myself. |
| J.P. | Will you let me have them. |
| U.G. | Yes. Well... I will. |
| J.P. | Can I use them for my book - and you can have them back afterwards. |
| U.G. | Yes, you can. |
| J.P. | The other photographs I want as well, are... you've given me one with Adnan Khashogi - could you give me some other photographs that you think would enhance the book. |
| U.G. | Absolutely. When the book is finished... |
| J.P. | I want them before the book is finished, I want to know where to place them and what to say about them. |
| U.G. | Then, I suggest you come here again and I'll open all the photographs for you - and you will choose. |
| J.P. | And I will be allowed to use them in the book without punitive action? |
| U.G. | First of all, you and I will come to an agreement about the book and it'll all be in black and white so you will know what you're allowed to do, and what I am (allowed to do). |
| J.P. | I would also like you to know that I will publish the book myself if the book does not find a publisher I will publish it under my own title of Body, Mind and Soul International. |
| U.G. | Well, I do hope you'll find a publisher, because you know, then a publisher does a professional job. |
| J.P. | My publishing is professional as well. It's small but it will grow. |
| So, that's that! | |
| Now I just want to show you these photographs, and I want your comment on them. As you've already read in the previous chapters (of this book) that you have already seen your Kundalini is midway - almost at the Sahasrar, and it would interest me to know - as a matter of fact I do know what is going to happen when your Kundalini does reach the Sahasrar - and I'm waiting and praying for that day. | |
| (here Uri Geller strokes Joy's cheek. Hence Joy's little chuckle!) | |
| Now - the thing is - I just want to show you these photographs which are Kirlian photographs taken as I came in from the street - before I sit and meditate and then exactly six minutes of repeating my MANTRA the second photograph was taken showing (the changes that took place in the aura around my head) Now Uri, you've looked at the aura photography (around my head) of before and after meditation. Has it kindled your interest in meditation? | |
| U.G. | Yes, absolutely. I mean its like before and after. It's amazing how after... It's AMAZING! Here you're glowing with the power. |
| J.P. | If it had been half an hour of mantra repetition instead of six minutes the whole picture would have been white. |
| U.G. | It's very impressive, very impressive. O.K. let me see more. Joy showing Uri two other Kirlian pictures. |
| J.P. | This is also Kirlian photography but different. |
| U.G. | Kirlian photography is amazing - for instance you can cut a leaf in half, but when put on the place the whole leaf aura shows up. |
| Here's one of my Kirlian photographs from a long time ago. This is where my energy comes out of my finger into the watch, and that's very unusual. And here again, I'm trying to bend a key - see the energy spurt? It's coming out of my finger. Again, here is a close up of the energy spurt. Here's another picture. Here is my finger at rest, here is a square watch - and when I'm trying to fix it, here is the energy again zooming out of my finger. | |
| You can have photographs of my younger years, pictures of the war.... | |
| J.P. | I'm not interest in all that. We've seen them. What we want are the most recent things. |
| U.G. | O.K. No problem. |
| J.P. | Are you willing for us to take some Kirlian photographs? |
| U.G. | I'd love to have that done. Yeah, yeah, yeah! |
| J.P. | Are you willing to have Kirlian photographs of you taken before and after repeating a mantra, i.e, after meditatioin? |
| U.G. | Yes, but I don't want to do meditation for more than ten minutes. |
| J.P. | No - not more than ten minutes - but I'll give you a mantra to repeat. Will you be willing to do the mantra for ten minutes, and have Kirlian photographs taken before and after? |
| U.G. | If it's ten minutes, I have no problem with that. |
| J.P. | Uri Geller. Thank you very much for granting me this interview on Sunday December the 30th 2001. I hope you have enjoyed the interview. |
| U.G. | I think Joy, you have interviewed me on such a different plane and such a different level. No other journalist has ever asked me these questions in quite this way. I really commend you for that : I take my hat off to you because you inspired me to reveal things and talk about things that I've never really touched upon. So we've really had a very unique and unusual interview. |
| J.P. | Thank you. Goodbye. |